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 =====Notable Officers===== =====Notable Officers=====
 ====Col John Talbot==== ====Col John Talbot====
 +
 ====Sir Gilbert Talbot==== ====Sir Gilbert Talbot====
 Brother of John, hitherto Royalist ambassador to Venice. ​ Brother of John, hitherto Royalist ambassador to Venice. ​
  
-Colonel Sir Gilbert Talbots Regiment of Foot+====Officer Lists==== 
 +From original research by Victor Judge aka BCW user 1642
  
-Colonel ​                       Sir Gilbert Talbot +  *Colonel Sir Gilbert Talbot 
-Lieutenant Colonel +  *Lieutenant Colonel 
-Sargeant Major         ​Cosimo Manuche  +  *Sargeant Major Cosimo Manuche ​(ex Bampfield'​s) 
-Sargeant Major         ​George Sadler ​          ​(1) E.306.1 Sgnt. Maj. to Col. Talbot of Horse ? +  *Sargeant Major George Sadler (1) E.306.1 Sgnt. Maj. to Col. Talbot of Horse ? 
-Sargeant Major                       ​Wilks +  *Sargeant Major Wilks 
-Sargeant Major                       ​Pain+  *Sargeant Major Pain
  
 +  *Captain Edward Kemp 
 +  *Captain Richard Mattock
 +  *Captain Richard Phillips
 +  *Captain William Sturgion ​
 +  *Captain Markas Whitby
 +  *Captain William Whitby
  
-Captain ​                     Edward Kemp  +  *Lieutenant Eveley 
-Captain ​                     Richard Mattock +  ​*Lieutenant John Hawks 
-Captain ​                     Richard Phillips +  ​*Lieutenant Francis Manouche ​ 
-Captain ​                     William Sturgion ​ +  ​*Lieutenant Thomas Sadler 
-Captain ​                     Markas Whitby +  ​*Lieutenant Thomas Sibley 
-Captain ​                     William ​Whitby+  ​*Lieutenant Hannibal Westcoat 
 +  *Lieutenant Thomas ​Whitby
  
-Lieutenant ​                           Eveley +  *Ensign Davis 
-Lieutenant ​               John Hawks +  *Ensign Kerry 
-Lieutenant ​               Francis Manouche  +  *Ensign John Martine 
-Lieutenant ​               Thomas Sadler +  *Ensign Pollard 
-Lieutenant ​               Thomas Sibley +  *Ensign Francis Skidmoore 
-Lieutenant ​               Hannibal Westcoat +  *Ensign Francis Wilks
-Lieutenant ​               Thomas Whitby +
- +
-Ensign ​                                     Davis +
-Ensign ​                                  ​Kerry +
-Ensign ​                      ​John Martine +
-Ensign ​                                ​Pollard +
-Ensign ​                     Francis Skidmoore +
-Ensign ​                     Francis Wilks+
  
 ALL E.307.5 ALL E.307.5
-Manuche ex Bampfield 
  
-E.309.22 The Kindomes weekly Post +=====Contemporary References===== 
-17th November 1645 +From original research ​by Victor Judge aka BCW user 1642
-We also understand that Sir Gilbert Talbot Governor lately of Tiverton,​and his Major among divers others were taken prisoners as they were making merry at a Gentlemans house in the West,they were taken prisoner ​by 3 Troopes of the Parliament forces.+
  
-E.311.17 The Kingdomes scout 2-9.12.1645 
-'...we had a renegado Major of theirs taken at Tiverton,​Major Sadler was lately tryed by a Councell of Warre at the Generalls Quarters,​and justly condemned for his treachery,​and shot to death by four musketiers,​the first shot him in the belly,the second at his very heart,and so he fell;a just reward for such false villains.'​ 
  
-However E.311.20 The moderate intelligencer 4-11.12.1645 states he was shot by the Royalists +===Sir Gilbert Talbot'​s papers=== 
-'One Major Sadler,who was by our Forces taken in Tiverton,​and condemned by a Councel of War for revolting from the Parliament,​having made an escape from Taunton to Exeter,was there shot to death, Friday the 18th past,for corresponding with us in some consultations about the delivery of Tiverton.' ​+HarlMss6859 Sir Gilbert Talbots papers
  
-It is possible that Major Sadler ​was formerly a Captain ​in Edward ​Ludlows Regiment ​of Horse+Sir Gilbert Talbot ​was Charles I's Ambassador to Venice and negotiated for military assistance ​in support of the Royalist cause. Unfortunately,​ the offer of the Venetians was overlooked and upon his return into England at the Court at Oxford, he asked why their offer had not been responded to. The King was unaware of any offer and Talbot requested Secretary ​Edward ​Nicholas to check through his despatches. To the King and Secretary Nicholas'​ horror the despatch was found by Nicholas, who said that it must have arrived and been filed without being read during a time of upheaval.
  
-Harl.Mss6859 Sir Gilbert Talbots ​papers+'​Having sent away the proposals, I returned to England and coming into the West was by the command of the Prince of Wales (now his Majesty) made a Governor of Tiverton, which command upon the march of General Fairfax into the West was abandoned by the former Governor, Colonel Amias PollardThe place not long after, being assaulted by General Major Massey, ​ who was happily repulsed and then beseiged by General Fairfax, and every hour in danger to be lostFor my horse were mutinous, and I had but 200 foot in garrison, and some of my chief officers unfaithful, and the enemy without 22,000 strong therefore apprehending the worst, I burned all my papers ​and among the rest my cypher with Sir Sackville Crow. 
 +I was soon after stormed, and (a main post being betrayed by Major Sadler) taken, and sent away prisoner to Lime and thence to Weymouth where obtaining my liberty upon exchange I went to the King at Oxford.'​
  
-Sir Gilbert Talbot was Charles 1 Ambassador to Venice and negotiated for military assistance in support ​of the Royalist cause. +===Taking ​of Tiverton===
-Unfortunately,​the offer of the Venetians was overlooked and upon his return into England at the Court at Oxford,he asked why their offer had not been responded to.The King was unaware of any offer and Talbot requested Secretary Edward Nicholas to check through his despatches. +
-To the King and Secretary Nicholas'​ horror the despatch was found by Nicholas,​who said that it must have arrived and been filed without being read during a time of upheaval.+
  
-'Having sent away the proposals,I returned to England and coming into the West was by the command ​of the Prince of Wales (now his Majesty) made a Governor ​of Tiverton,which command upon the march of General Fairfax into the West was abandoned by the former Governor,​Colonel Amias Pollard. +Parliament's version ​of taking ​of Tiverton ​from Portland MssVol1
-The place not long after,being assaulted by General Major Massey,who was happily repulsed and then beseiged by General Fairfax,and every hour in danger to be lost.For my horse were mutinous,​and I had but 200 foot in garrison,​and some of my chief officers unfaithful,​and the enemy without 22,000 strongtherefore apprehending the worst,I burned all my papers and among the rest my cypher with Sir Sackville Crow. +
-I was soon after stormed,and (a main post being betrayed by Major Sadler) taken,and sent away prisoner to Lime and thence to Weymouth where obtaining my liberty upon exchange I went to the King at Oxford.'​+
  
-Parliament version of taking of Tiverton from Portland MssVol. 1+Sir John Bampfylde, Sir Samuel Rolls, Francis Buller, and Anthony Nicoll to William Lenthall
  
-Sir John Bampfylde, Sir Samuel RollsFrancis Buller,  +1645, October 20. Tiverton.  
-and Anthony Nicoll ​to William Lenthall+ 
 +We came to the armie at Beaminster and from thence advanced with them to Chard the next day, where they remained some dayes in expectation of the recruites and mony for the armie and of monie for Majour-Generall Masseyes partie. Wee advanced thence to Hunnington (Honiton) from whence before our advance the enemie retreated neere Exon till which time they plundered all the countrie of cattle. From Hunnington wee advanced to Collumton on Thurseday, on which day, Majour-Generall Massey'​s partie came before Tiverton castle and summoned it, but received a refusall of obeying. Our noble Generall having notice of it, come on Friday with a parte of his armie hither, the residew hee sent to Bradnidge.  
 + 
 +Yesterday about two of the clocke after-noone,​ some batteries being made and all thinges being reddie for stoiming for which the souldiers with much cheerefullnesse prepared themselves, the Generall for the sparing of blood, with the advice of the counceil of warre, resolved to sende them a second summons, which was written and signed and parties drawne out, who were reddie with their scalinge ladders to storme, if a deniall were returned, but at that instant it pleased God so to derecte one shott that it cut the chaine of theire draw-bridge which instantly fell downe, and the souldiers spirrits were such, that they presently without ordre given, entred theire workes. The enemies heartes failed, and we became suddenly masters of the church, and castle, and theire strong and reguler workes in which they confided.  
 + 
 +Wee tooke the governour, ​Sir Gilbert Tawbottand two hundred and four officers and souldiers of which you have heere enclosed a list, four greate gunnes, thirty barrells of powder, with other armes which cannot bee particularized,​ they being dispersed. Wee loste not a man in the storming, nor put any to the sword. 
 + 
 +Wee saw so much resolucion in all the souldiers that wee cannot but make it our request that mony may bee speeded to them, without which, it is much doubted how they will bee supplied, the countrie where they advance not having in theire quarters wherewith to supply them. But if money bee wanting to pay in the market which is appointed to follow the armie with provisions from our reare, the market will faile.  
 + 
 +Majour-Generall Masseyes men have not mony to shoe theire horses. Goring retreated to Chidleigh. What hee intends wee know not. Our industrious and vigilant Generall pittying the condicion of the contrie, who crie for his assistance and intending nothing more then the  
 +speeding of the worke, and the active Miajour Massey resolve this day to advance in one body towerd Goring who is strong and wee can  
 +not devide the armie, unlesse Leiutenant-Generall Croumwell come up with his parrio[tercio?​],​ with which its hoped they may devide and the more speedily finish the worke in the west, without which the whole armie must follow Goring or runne a great hazard, the Prince, Hopton,  
 +and Greenvill being entred Devon with four thousand foote and fifteen hundred horse as wee are informed."​  
 + 
 +Signed. Seal. [N. IV., 131.]  
 + 
 +===Talbot taken?=== 
 + 
 +E.309.22 The Kindomes weekly Post 
 +17th November 1645 
 + 
 +We also understand that Sir Gilbert Talbot Governor lately of Tivertonand his Major among divers others were taken prisoners as they were making merry at a Gentlemans house in the Westthey were taken prisoner by 3 Troopes of the Parliament forces. 
 + 
 +===Major Sadler=== 
 + 
 +E.311.17 The Kingdomes scout 2-9.12.1645 
 + 
 +'...we had a renegado Major of theirs taken at Tiverton, Major Sadler was lately tryed by a Councell of Warre at the Generalls Quarters, ​and justly condemned for his treachery, and shot to death by four musketiers, the first shot him in the belly, the second at his very heart, and so he fell; a just reward for such false villains.
 + 
 +However E.311.20 The moderate intelligencer 4-11.12.1645 states he was shot by the Royalists 
 +'One Major Sadler, who was by our Forces taken in Tiverton, and condemned by a Councel of War for revolting from the Parliament, having made an escape from Taunton to Exeter, was there shot to death, Friday the 18th past, for corresponding with us in some consultations about the delivery of Tiverton.'​  
 + 
 +It is possible that Major Sadler was formerly a Captain in Edward Ludlows Regiment of Horse
  
-1645, October 20. Tiverton. — ** We came to the armie at Beaminster ​ 
-4ind from thence advanced with them to Chard the next day, where  
-they remained some dayes in expectation of the recruites and mony for  
-the armie and of monie for Majour-Generall Masseyes partie. Wee  
-4idvanoed thence to Hunningtou (Honiton) from whence before our  
-advance the enemie retreated neere £xon till which time they plundered ​ 
-all the countrie of cattle. From Hunnington wee advanced to CoUumton ​ 
-on Thurseday, on which day, Majour-Generall Masseyc'​s partie came  
-before Tiverton castle and summoned it, but received a refusall of  
-obeying. Our noble Generall having notice of it, come on Friday with  
-a parte of his armie hither, the residew hee sent to Bradnidge. Yester- ​ 
-day about two of the clocke after-noone,​ some batteries being made  
-and all thinges being reddie for stoiming for which the souldiers with  
-much cheerefuUnesse prepared themselves, the Gknerall for the sparing ​ 
-of blood, with the advice of the oounceli of warre, resolved to sende  
-them a second summons, which was written and signed and parties ​ 
-drawne out, who were reddie with theirc scalinge ladders to storme, ​ 
-if a deniall were returned, but at that instant it pleased God so to  
-derecte one shott that it cut the chaine of theire draw-bridge which  
-instantly fell downe, and the souldiers spirrits were such, that they  
-presently without ordre given, entred theire workes. The enemies ​ 
-heartes failed, and weo became suddenly masters of the church, and  
-castle, and theire strong and reguler workes in which they coniided. ​ 
-Wee tooke the governour, Sir Gilbert Tawbott, and two hundred and  
-four officers and souldiers of which you have heere enclosed a list,  
-four greate gunnes, thirty barrells of powder, with other armes which  
-cannot bee particularized,​ they being dispersed. Wee loste not a  
-man in the storming, nor put any to the sword. 
  
-Wee saw so much resolucion in all the souldiers that wee cannot but make it our request that mony may bee speeded to them, without which, it ia much  
-doubted how they will bee supplied, the countrie where they adTance ​ 
-not having in theire quarters wherewith to supply them. But if money  
-bee wanting to pay in the market which is appointed to follow the  
-armie with provisions from our reare, the market will faile. Majour- ​ 
-Generall Masseyes men have not mony to shoe theire horses. Goring ​ 
-18 retreated to Chidleigh. What hee intends wee know not. Our  
-industrious and vigilant Generall pittying the condicion of the contrie, ​ 
-ivho crie for his assistance and intending nothing more then the  
-speeding of the worke, and the active Miajour Massey resolve this  
-day to advance in one body towerd C^oring who is strong and wee can  
-not devide the armie, unlesse Leiutenant-Generall Croumwell come up  
-with his parrio, with which its hoped they may devide and the more  
-speedily finish the worke in the west, without which the whole armie  
-must follow Goring or runne a gi'eat hazard, the Prince, Hopton, ​ 
-nnd. Green vill being entred Devon with four thousand foote and  
-fifteen hundred horse as wee are informed."​ Signed. Seal. [N. IV.,  
-131.]  
 =====Strength===== =====Strength=====
   *March 1644: 9 companies at Cheriton   *March 1644: 9 companies at Cheriton